[Farmboy911]

Looking for some input on a bull that was sold as a yearling. He passed a semen test, was sold in form of exchange for work. He was delivered, ran pasture, and had no complaints from buyer. Bull as a 2 year old now was semen tested and failed based on low motility. Buyer is irate and wants a refund. How do I know he wasn’t affected by the cold or was injured. He passed and was good and now after he used him has failed. What are your thoughts? If I knew he wouldn’t pass after one year of breeding I would not have sold him but how long do you warranty a bull?? He still has salvage value to the buyer.

 

[MontanaBredRancher]

I personally think that the buyer should NOT get a refund.

Maybe next time have a contract: I am buying ____ head of cattle from (your name). If the heifers and cows end up being infertile or the bull fails the test, I understand that I will not be getting a refund unless it is within 5 months of the purchase.

A reasonable amount of time to warranty cattle after purchase is 5 or 6 months. Since the bull was exchanged for work, there is really no way to refund unless you pay him back in work or you give money for the amount of time he worked or offer another bull to him.

A few questions:

-Out of curiosity, what breed is the bull?
-Do you have your own bull you use as a stud or breed your personal cows and heifers to?
-Does the buyer have any other cattle or just that one bull you traded to him?

 

[Farmboy911]

Hey, appreciate the reply. I just was looking for some input to verify that I wasn’t wrong in my thinking that warranty does not drag on over a year or 2 on a bull. I am just not in the business to “screw” anyone over, but it’s honestly out of my hands if he has bred and the guy has calves off the bull this spring. He may have had a temperature injury or physical injury within the last 60 days as well.
I am a purebred Simmental breeder. Sell registered purebreds.

 

[MontanaBredRancher]

Yes, of course. I just wanted to let you know my opinion, and it is that the bull most likely failed the sperm test because of some incident that happened at the buyer's ranch.

Well, good luck, update the thread if anything new happens and the result of the bull and buyer.

I mean come on! It is just a bull...He can butcher the bull although the meat won't taste as good since he wasn't castrated. Maybe the buyer could try to breed him and just use his cows, not for breeding, but for milk.

Anyway, I am here to respond and help! I am also on the horse forum, way more members on there, so I decided to look up the cattle forum and I was shocked to see how little members there are on here and that there are questions and posts maybe 10 times a week. On horse forum there are at least 10 posts a day!

Good luck and have a blessed day!!

 

[Farmboy911]

Thanks, ya he still has salvage value in bull. Forgot to mention as well that I told him to send me a copy of the semen test and a picture of the bull to see his condition and suddenly his next reply was to just leave things be and move on. Seemed kinda odd to me but that was last night. maybe was a bit in the liquor or something and was looking for a free bull perhaps
And ya I noticed not much replies in here. Pretty quiet place.

 

[MontanaBredRancher]

Yea. Does seem odd for him to just argue and give up when you ask for details...

Have a blessed day!

 

[Ffagirl223]

Hey, appreciate the reply. I just was looking for some input to verify that I wasn’t wrong in my thinking that warranty does not drag on over a year or 2 on a bull. I am just not in the business to “screw” anyone over, but it’s honestly out of my hands if he has bred and the guy has calves off the bull this spring. He may have had a temperature injury or physical injury within the last 60 days as well.
I am a purebred Simmental breeder. Sell registered purebreds.

Hey there I’m not ratting on this Montana lady but please don’t listen to her she literally went on my thread and said that casturated male weathers do not have teats for goats so as a experienced cattle breeder with my dad your bull should still produce this actually happened to our bull over the freeze he some how got an injury I think slipped on ice and he was always positive on semen test and then day after the freeze got him checked it said negative

 

[Ffagirl223]

And also I saw in her post she said the meat won’t taste good because it’s not casturated.... ummmm it still taste the same it doesn’t change it at all all it does is lowers certain stuff but it doesn’t mean it makes it taste any worse than casturated males....

 

[MontanaBredRancher]

@Ffagirl223

Howdy, I am not a faker or rude person.
Please look at my response on your thread...About what I responded on here, he asked for input. I gave him my opinion and he thanked me.

I don't care what anyone thinks of me on a forum, it has nothing to do with my personal life. It is not your place at all to tell someone to not listen to me since I made a mistake when it came to goats (especially on a cattle forum).



About what I said about bull meat not tasting as good because they weren't castrated early on: it is true, do some research. Males of sheep, goats, cattle, and probably more should be castrated if the owner's plan is to raise them for meat, not breeding. If they aren't castrated the testosterone spreads throughout the body, and doesn't taint the meat, but makes it taste different than a steer's beef. What does bull meat taste like? Is it different from steer meat or cow meat? - Quora

I guess I should have asked before if the yearling bull had bred or not, but I just assumed he did. I also should have listened for more people's opinions, but I learned at a young age that a castrated male has better, more tender tasting meat than an intact male. Please don't call me out for learning something incorrect as a young'in and taking it to heart and spreading it as an adult. Still, I have experienced the taste difference of bull meat rather than steer meat.

@Farmboy911 what do you think? Does bull meat taste different than steer meat?